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UTP wiretapping
19 years 10 months ago #6873
by MezzUp
UTP wiretapping was created by MezzUp
Hello everybody,
This is more of a hypothetical(correct spelling?) question, but I'm interested in everything networking related I was sure somebody here had the answear for me.
I was thinking about UTP cable wiretapping, and wether it is possible in practice.
One method would be stripping the insulation of the wire and physicly 'tap' into the wire. Perhaps one would have to use two NICs because both wire pairs would be 'recive'? Maybe there are then problems with signal strengh or crosstalk or something like that? Is this possibly in theory? What about in practice?
I know that one could simply cut the cable and put two RJ-45s on both ends, but again we are talking hypothetical.
Another method I though of was, and I know this is a stretch, EMI wiretapping.
I admit I don't know much about EMI, but I think it's basicly "electrical leakage" from a copper wire(electrical, data...) that is interfearing with another wire. Now, couldn't one use that "leakage" to listen to what is being said on the wire? Since were talking about digital waves it should be even easier, right? Given the right equipment, _should_ this be possible? And furthermore, _is_ it possible?
Later, MezzUp
This is more of a hypothetical(correct spelling?) question, but I'm interested in everything networking related I was sure somebody here had the answear for me.
I was thinking about UTP cable wiretapping, and wether it is possible in practice.
One method would be stripping the insulation of the wire and physicly 'tap' into the wire. Perhaps one would have to use two NICs because both wire pairs would be 'recive'? Maybe there are then problems with signal strengh or crosstalk or something like that? Is this possibly in theory? What about in practice?
I know that one could simply cut the cable and put two RJ-45s on both ends, but again we are talking hypothetical.
Another method I though of was, and I know this is a stretch, EMI wiretapping.
I admit I don't know much about EMI, but I think it's basicly "electrical leakage" from a copper wire(electrical, data...) that is interfearing with another wire. Now, couldn't one use that "leakage" to listen to what is being said on the wire? Since were talking about digital waves it should be even easier, right? Given the right equipment, _should_ this be possible? And furthermore, _is_ it possible?
Later, MezzUp
19 years 10 months ago #6888
by sahirh
Sahir Hidayatullah.
Firewall.cx Staff - Associate Editor & Security Advisor
tftfotw.blogspot.com
Replied by sahirh on topic Re: UTP wiretapping
Yep mate,
both can and have been done
I have never seen the EMI tap before, but I know that it is around
both can and have been done
I have never seen the EMI tap before, but I know that it is around
Sahir Hidayatullah.
Firewall.cx Staff - Associate Editor & Security Advisor
tftfotw.blogspot.com
19 years 10 months ago #6895
by MezzUp
Replied by MezzUp on topic Re: UTP wiretapping
Cool!
Got any links and/or stories?
[Edit]
I forgot Google :oops:
Got any links and/or stories?
[Edit]
I forgot Google :oops:
19 years 10 months ago #6931
by TheBishop
Replied by TheBishop on topic EMI Wiretap
Interesting stuff. The EMI wiretap certainly can be done as the techniques of sniffing a bit of an RF signal off a wire are years old and not difficult. The tricky bit would be doing it without degrading the performance of the 'real' link in the process. Not that sniffing a bot of the signal would be noticeable, but UTP is carefully constructed with twists etc to minimise radiation of the signal from the cable and also reception of crud from the environment onto the cable. You'd probably have to untwist some of the cable to do it, which in practice probably means constructing a short cable with the sniffing strands built in then twisted back together. If you could stick that in-line without anybody noticing, you've cracked it.
I think this one will have to go onto my list of 'esoteric experiments to do once I get some time'. Who knows, perhaps I can think of a slogan for it to go on a T-Shirt?
I think this one will have to go onto my list of 'esoteric experiments to do once I get some time'. Who knows, perhaps I can think of a slogan for it to go on a T-Shirt?
19 years 10 months ago #6945
by MezzUp
Replied by MezzUp on topic Re: EMI Wiretap
Then you might as well do a physical wiretapping(the first method I described), right?You'd probably have to untwist some of the cable to do it, which in practice probably means constructing a short cable with the sniffing strands built in then twisted back together. If you could stick that in-line without anybody noticing, you've cracked it.
19 years 10 months ago #6962
by TheBishop
Yes, although that would leave evidence that you'd done it if you did it to the original cable. I was just thinking of a pre-tapped 'espionage kit' that you could put in, use then remove so nobody would know after the event. As you rightly point out, you could do that with a physically tapped cable too.
I've been having a quick Google on this, and there are some commercial products. Have a look at:
www.wildpackets.com/elements/third_party...m_datasheet_taps.pdf
or www.netoptics.com/pdf/installation_guide/IGNET96430.pdf
for example
I've been having a quick Google on this, and there are some commercial products. Have a look at:
www.wildpackets.com/elements/third_party...m_datasheet_taps.pdf
or www.netoptics.com/pdf/installation_guide/IGNET96430.pdf
for example
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