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Class A IP range with Class C subnet?
20 years 11 months ago #2333
by Tony
Class A IP range with Class C subnet? was created by Tony
Hello all,
I've had serious trouble understanding subnets in the past but since finding your site everything has been made a lot clearer.
Anyway down my question, currently where I work we have a Class A IP range 10.x.x.x but our subnet mask is 255.255.255.x how can this be?
I know Class A addresses are from 1.0.0.0 - 127.255.255.255 so why are we using a class c subnet mask????? of 255.255.255.x when it should be 255.x.x.x
I've had serious trouble understanding subnets in the past but since finding your site everything has been made a lot clearer.
Anyway down my question, currently where I work we have a Class A IP range 10.x.x.x but our subnet mask is 255.255.255.x how can this be?
I know Class A addresses are from 1.0.0.0 - 127.255.255.255 so why are we using a class c subnet mask????? of 255.255.255.x when it should be 255.x.x.x
20 years 11 months ago #2334
by tfs
Thanks,
Tom
Replied by tfs on topic Re: Class A IP range with Class C subnet?
I assume this is a private network and your network administrator is subnetting. Not sure why he would do that, but that appears what he is doing. Normally, this would mean that he needs many subnets. It doesn't hurt anything, however.
Thanks,
Tom
20 years 11 months ago #2338
by Kn1ght
Thanks
Replied by Kn1ght on topic Re: Class A IP range with Class C subnet?
would be interesting to me to know where you are doing this? Default subnet mask is for class C network. Just playing around and no one knows what they are doing it is just going to be for a class "C" ....
Thanks
20 years 11 months ago #2344
by sahirh
Sahir Hidayatullah.
Firewall.cx Staff - Associate Editor & Security Advisor
tftfotw.blogspot.com
Replied by sahirh on topic Re: Class A IP range with Class C subnet?
Hi Tony,
first off the concept of classful IP addressing is deprecated (god I sound like a book)... in other words, everyone uses classless routing now, because using the classes became very wasteful.
You can use any mask you like with any 'class' as such.. especially so if its an internal network IP. Remember the mask just divides the host ID and network ID sections of the IP address. If you were using classful addressing you'd have the following :
10.0.0.0
255.0.0.0
But since your admin isn't bothered about the class, you've got whats technically a class A IP space subnetted with a class C mask. This is fine. In fact its exactly what you said it was -- 'A class A IP range with Class C subnets'.
Furthermore, this is from the 'private' class A address space. In other words you use these IP's internally, you cannot route these IP's over the Internet. The following are the private IP spaces :
Class A - 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
Class B - 172.16.0.0. - 172.31.255.255
Class C - 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255
If you want to read about private addressing, its covered in RFC1918, you can find it here :
www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1918.html
Hmm I'm running on very little sleep so forgive if that explanation wasn't very good. I actually find the explanation we have up here on the site very good. It does not confuse the topic and you can visualise things better. Print it out and give it a read.
As a motivational tip, subnetting is not hard -- even if you're bad at math.. its all about a mental block. Focus on the concept rather that the actual method you're using... because there are lots of tips and tricks.. everyone has their own way of working subnets out. Check the Certification / Books & More forum, there should be a post in there called 'Subnetting tricks', which has some contributions from the members.
first off the concept of classful IP addressing is deprecated (god I sound like a book)... in other words, everyone uses classless routing now, because using the classes became very wasteful.
You can use any mask you like with any 'class' as such.. especially so if its an internal network IP. Remember the mask just divides the host ID and network ID sections of the IP address. If you were using classful addressing you'd have the following :
10.0.0.0
255.0.0.0
But since your admin isn't bothered about the class, you've got whats technically a class A IP space subnetted with a class C mask. This is fine. In fact its exactly what you said it was -- 'A class A IP range with Class C subnets'.
Furthermore, this is from the 'private' class A address space. In other words you use these IP's internally, you cannot route these IP's over the Internet. The following are the private IP spaces :
Class A - 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
Class B - 172.16.0.0. - 172.31.255.255
Class C - 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255
If you want to read about private addressing, its covered in RFC1918, you can find it here :
www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1918.html
Hmm I'm running on very little sleep so forgive if that explanation wasn't very good. I actually find the explanation we have up here on the site very good. It does not confuse the topic and you can visualise things better. Print it out and give it a read.
As a motivational tip, subnetting is not hard -- even if you're bad at math.. its all about a mental block. Focus on the concept rather that the actual method you're using... because there are lots of tips and tricks.. everyone has their own way of working subnets out. Check the Certification / Books & More forum, there should be a post in there called 'Subnetting tricks', which has some contributions from the members.
Sahir Hidayatullah.
Firewall.cx Staff - Associate Editor & Security Advisor
tftfotw.blogspot.com
20 years 11 months ago #2370
by Tony
Replied by Tony on topic Re: Class A IP range with Class C subnet?
Thankyou Sahirh, thats made it a lot clearer.
20 years 6 months ago #3852
by naddyboy
Replied by naddyboy on topic Re: Class A IP range with Class C subnet?
Adding to this >
I have'nt tested really but it seems that these two hosts ...
10.10.10.10
255.0.0.0
&
10.20.30.40
255.255.255.0
can communicate with each other ???
how ????? :evil:
I have'nt tested really but it seems that these two hosts ...
10.10.10.10
255.0.0.0
&
10.20.30.40
255.255.255.0
can communicate with each other ???
how ????? :evil:
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